Republican Primary Poll #2 – Who Do You Support?
Welcome to Pine Tree Politics’ second GOP poll of the gubernatorial season. We will be conducting these polls semi-regularly in the coming months, so we can track movement and changes in support as time goes by.
This poll will be open from now, until midnight on January 20th.
In the first poll we conducted back in late September, Mayor Paul LePage came in first with 33% of the vote, followed by Matt Jacobson with 24% and Peter Mills with 19%. Now that the field is essentially settled, how will these results compare? We will see.
It should be noted this is not a scientific poll and should not be treated as such.
Important Note: While this isn’t scientific, as with last time I do view phony poll packing in an extremely negative light. I will be watching this poll very closely, and if I detect even a hint of vote fraud here, the poll will be shut down and I will make sure to note who’s supporters were doing what. I’ll be logging the IP addresses of voters, so if you find some way to crack the poll and vote multiple times, I’ll notice. In short – just don’t do it.
In any event – I invite each candidate to send the poll around to your supporters and call on them for support – just don’t try to cheat. I’ll catch you. Without further adieu, here is the poll:
As of today - who do you support for the Republican nomination for governor in 2010? [Listing is Alphabetical]
- Steve Abbott, Former Chief of Staff to Senator Susan Collins (31%, 743 Votes)
- Paul LePage, Mayor of Waterville and General Manager of Marden's (30%, 715 Votes)
- Matt Jacobson, President and CEO of Maine & Company (14%, 325 Votes)
- Bruce Poliquin, business owner/manager and economist (13%, 320 Votes)
- Les Otten, founder of American Skiing Company and former Boston Red Sox co-owner (5%, 124 Votes)
- Bill Beardsley, Former President of Husson College (3%, 82 Votes)
- Peter Mills, State Senator (4%, 68 Votes)
Total Voters: 2,377
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What is semi-regularly
Wow looks like the Abbott campaign mustered up the troops pretty quickly…
If nothing else, this tells us who the 3 horses in the race are.
Well Its just one day, lets discuss this when the numbers come in a week or so thats when you will see who is in the race and who isnt
Les,
Time to “take it up a notch”!
Should’t Otten’s description say that he killed American Ski Company as well? Seems like everyone keep forgetting that.
38%-23%-18% Abbott-Poliquin-Jacobson right now.
Tom, that is a great point about Les. I think it is interesting to note that Lepage won the first straw poll. If we were to follow the results of these polls then the candidate who announces on June 7th would win. I think this is a case of the new guy getting all the attention. I think as this poll matures and starts to show 3-5 days worth the insight it will be apparent who the true frontrunner is. Bruce Poliquin is polling very well for this stage of the game, he still has plenty of time to tour the state and win over people. I know that I was unsure who I was going to support until I met Bruce and I knew that he would be the next governor.
“None of the Above” was not an option, so I’ll just leave it here as a comment
Setting in the passenger seat give you a lot of experience to drive!
Ironic how Abbott anounces and then the poll comes out a few days later and looks like the Establishment has it cornered on the voting. I know of 3 people that have not voted at all and can’t vote so looks like the results will be skewed towards Abbott’s Establisment friends. Sad to see the corruption within the party, I am thinking Independent now!!!!!
Abbott’ votes must have come from Susan Collin’s staff here
on break!!!!
My issue with this poll is that things will be skewed towards Abbot as he’ll just use the Collins staff. Great use of our tax payer dollars. On the other hand I do agree it is very telling considering how much money some candidates have already spent. Will be very interesting to see where this poll is at 3 to 5 days from now.
If you want a governor who will govern by the Constitution and care for the people of the state and not sell us out the federal government, you need to vote for Paul LePage. Steve Abbot is voting for more of the same – more of the same liberal policies like we have in Washington. No thanks!
LOL, so first I was a shadowy, sneaky Jacobson supporter all cloak and dagger astroturfing for him – and now suddenly I’m an Abbott’s pocket?
You guys are a rare breed.
Wow, it just doesn’t seem to matter, the GOP throws it’s support behind a Susan Collins staff member. So, nothing changes, the real conservatives take a back seat to a staffer for a moderate can’t really trust her senator. Great! I just want to get into a position so I can get out of this state and move to a red state. With family history here back to before Maine was a state, there is nothing left here for a conservative.
It’s a little early, but it’s time to replace the politics as usual crowd with NON politicians and lawyers. There must be an honest person out there somewhere that cares about the people of this state.
I’m probably wishing for too much !!
Looks like Steve Abbott is going with the, “Hey I worked for Susan Collins so you should vote for me!” thing. Okay, Steve, so what? My mom went to the same church that Telly Selvalis went to. It does not make me a member of Kojak. Go Bruce!
I have a question is Matt Jacobson even a citzen of Maine, as I speak right now?
Matthew,
As someone who has been watching your site for quite a while but does not know you personally, I am confident that you are in nobody’s pocket, not cloak and dagger, and as fair as it gets.
Hey, Paul Lepage is also General Manager of Marden’s. Can we get that fixed?
Let’s see a guy whose been a career politician for the past 25 years, working for the Snowe-McKernan-Collins-Cohen-Rockefeller team that has literally crushed the life out of genuine grassroots Republicanism in this state, or a guy who is a very popular and successful mayor, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME general manager of Maine’s most popular (and affordable) discount chain, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME running successfully for governor–a guy who will actually look you in the eye, tell you the truth, and then follow through on what he says he’ll do.
Let’s see…the Maine GOP neocon/globalist/insider machine, or the real Republican/conservative remnant and the people.
Should be an interesting shake out. It’s a no brainer to me…
29-20-19-17 Abbott-LePage-Poliquin-Jacobson right now.
Mayor LePage with the momentum.
Come to Herb Sargent Community Center this saturday in stillwater from 1:00 til 5;00 and hear OUR next Governor Paul LePage and Jason Levesque
CC – what an asinine question. He took over Maine and Company in 2006 and has lived in Cumberland for four years. I think that qualifies.
JJ – thanks a million. Appreciate it. I’m here to analyze and comment on the horse race – I like several of the candidates, and that is about all there is to it.
Thank you for answering my question. I was curious. I really do not think of it as a asinine question.
I hope Governor Paul LePage will appoint Bill Beardsley as Education Commissioner next year.
Hey, Paul Lepage is also General Manager of Marden’s. Can we get that fixed?
Thanks in advance.
Steve martin said it well. another for paul Lepage, No none sense just results and common sense. never mind the bull , lets just send the guy with the ability to get the job done. paul to the Blain House.
For anyone interested in reading, below is a link to the City of Waterville Charter. Also looks like the being ‘Mayor’ in Waterville doesn’t carry the responsibilities typically associated with the title. They’re in the hands of the City Manager. Looks like Waterville has had a decent City Manager. I’d think, given how impotent a position ‘mayor’ is in Waterville, people might feel silly crediting the office with what it’s city government does, good or bad.
What powers and responsibilities does a mayor of Waterville actually have? Can the office even create a budget? Well, here’s the charter…
http://www.waterville-me.gov/content/1233590307charter.pdf
Garrett,
Mayor LePage actually worked early in his time as Mayor to weaken the power of the Mayor, because the city had, in its history, a string of very bad and corrupt Mayors. If you had taken a moment to look into this, you would, instead of framing him as a weaker than typical Mayor, had seen that he actually worked very hard to weaken those powers so that when he left office, the Mayor’s office would not have an imbalance of power.
That is what most would identify as integrity.
The Mayor worked to create the charter you’re very weakly attempting to attack him with, specifically for the purpose of improving and protecting the city of Waterville from corrupt politicians. Maine needs that kind of leadership.
Not to mention that he did that with a Democrat council, all the while with the confidence that he could still accomplish what was needed for the city.
I hope his opponents try to use similar tactics in future debates.
CC – you’ll forgive my characterization of it as an asinine question… it is a common poke at him to hit him for not being a “native”, thought that was where you were going.
JJ, well said.
After multiple interviews with Mr LaPage I find him refreshingly honest. He is not a flowery orator but he has a good handle on the problems along with solutions for our state. So far he is the only candidate worth a second or third look, as soon as he signs the Articles of freedom at http://www.articlesoffreedom.us I will lend him my complete support. Those articles will be my litmus test for all candidates for the foreseeable future and I plan to present a full copy (61pages) to every candidate for every elective office in Maine State.
Matthew, not at all. I heard through the “political gossip” I would like to know the facts. Yes he is not a “native” It may cause some Maine voters to repudiate. But I was just curious.
Paul Lepage is the only conservative running , anyone who worked for Collins has to be a moderate and wont get my vote .
There is no doubt that we need a man of Paul LePage’s integrity and boldness to take the reins of state government. Not since James Longley have we had someone in the Blaine House that actually had concern for the financial stability of the citizens.
Matthew,
Not being mean here, just curious – what’s your purpose in running an unscientific poll? To drum up interest in the site? To spur debate? For editorial practice? All are valid reasons, I just wondered where you’re going with it.
Matt,
I absolutely don’t think you are or ever have been in anyone’s pocket, you’re very fair on this blog and its a great read.
That being said, I do think the timing of this poll was a bit silly, as Abbott literally JUST announced 2 days before it came out, getting lots of media coverage in the process, and obviously will be experiencing a “bump” that could skew the results in his favor.
So far, my vote goes and will go to Paul LaPage and I plan to back him!
Any fan of Alexis de Tocqueville is a fan of mine!
I thought Steve Abbott’s announcement speech was a breath of fresh air. He seemed smart, committed and not afraid to make tough choices to put Maine back on track. Maine needs this kind of leadership in the Blaine House.
I think it’s worth noting that Steve Martin is the Maine head of 9-11 Truthers.
Shows the kind of support Paul LePage is getting.
I think that Mayor Lepage is a great guy, he has strong beliefs and he does not back down on those. The only problem with him is that he is TOO conservative for this state. Dont get me wrong, I am a gun loving traditional marriage supporter who thinks we need to bring criminal charges to “doctors” who perform the murderous act of abortions. I am in no ways a RINO or moderate Republican, my views match up pretty well with Mayor Lepage. At the same time though I think he is too vocal about some of those beliefs. We need a governor who can go in and stop the out of control spending and I would not be surprised if Mayor Lepage could do that, if he could get elected. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not we want to repeat the 2006 election cycle. Do we want to nominate a more conservative candidate who will turn off the independents or do we want to present the party as a fiscally responsible group of people who care about this state. We are blessed to have a candidate like Bruce Poliquin running for governor. Bruce has all of the attributes I look for in a conservative but he does not flash them around, they are in his heart and not on his shirt sleeve. Bruce has THE best record of management in the field of candidates, Democrat or Republican. Bruce has managed a budget that was larger than that of this state, I am sure that is more than can be said about a small municipality. This cycle we are lucky in that we can pick a candidate that will appeal to independents and it does not have to be a RINO like Peter Mills.
Tyler,
I agree with you that Mayor LePage is a great guy. I think you may be glossing over the fact that the political environment in Maine has changed since 2006.
I also think that drawing a comparison between management and leadership is something that needs to be done very carefully.
Leadership is stepping up and being outspoken about the issues you care about. It’s about being willing to do so. Management is a valuable asset, but leaders get things done, leaders speak on issues, and leaders take on the tough fights.
I don’t disagree that Bruce Poliquin may be a good manager, but I want a leader leading my state, preferably one with strong management skills, the type that can help grow a business in as tough an economic environment as Maine has had over the past few years.
I don’t worry about your “too vocal” opinion. The fact that Mayor LePage is willing to say the things you think he should not say tells me that they are his convictions, not political talking points.
As far as repeating the 2006 election cycle – I remember the 2006 election cycle very well my conservative friend, and this is not 2006.
I grew up in Maine and currently live in Delaware. I have found it interesting that the two ME senators have made national news by the way the health bill came out of committee, Snow was the sole republican on it and gave it the vote needed to bring it out of the shadows into the spot lite of the full senate to be discussed and debated and voted on.
The sad thing is DE is defintely blue. Senator Carper sent me an email telling me why he voted the way he did. The bill is 2500 pages long and should really be examined line by line to see what exactly it is going to do the country.
The Senate leader, Harry Reed, is trying to implement something that wont allow congress to change it which does seem to be a little unconstitutional.
While I agree that Mayor LePage is extremely vocal, that’s what I really admire about him. It just shows he’s not a politician. He is an open book, willing to answer all questions directly, honestly, and wether or not you will agree with him.
Not to mention, LePage has show he can be effective with Independents. Waterville is by no means Conservative. I think a lot of people will relate, and take a great liking to his background. He truly has a remarkable story.
The branding of Paul LePage as “too vocal,” “too conservative,” too “whatever” (I’m just waiting for the “extreme” label to come out next…) to unite people…is reminiscent about what they said about a certain politician from California in 1979. He did pretty well that fall, if memory serves. MAINE PEOPLE WANT SOMEONE DIFFERENT AND SOMEONE WILLING TO TAKE ON THE STATUS QUO. I don’t see that coming from any of these other candidates.
The SMCCR machine is going to be using this “He’s too extreme” strategy to push their machine candidate (Abbott) CONSTANTLY throughout the next few months specifically in an attempt to stop LePage. Mark my words.
What makes Paul uniquely qualified is his blend of business experience (Marden’s), political experience (Mayor of a decently-sized Maine city), communication skills (ala Reagan’s), willingness to listen AND LEARN, (i.e. not talking AT the voters, but WITH them, and even taking what they might hand him and actually reading it!) and his unwillingness to be tied to machine politics.
That is a winning combination if there ever was one within the 2010 political environment in this state!
Hmmm…Interesting little 20+ vote spurt for the establishment candidate there as Paul had closed to only down 5. Wonder where that came from? Out of state IPs anyone?
I’m looking for the candidate that has no progressive blood, ties or prior favors owed and more importantly, little if any progressive tolerance. The Progressive movement has brought us to this point in America and it is high time, to again, follow our conservative values, and stick to our beliefs.If you are a true conservative, then your words and actions, past, present and future should reflect your and your party’s core values and beliefs. We all know that as a human beings those core values and beliefs are what is most important once you strip away the political tent that many politicians perform their civic servitude in. The person, the inherent moral fiber of that human is what should be, and must be considered and evaluated when choosing the best candidate. So many times we see candidates chosen not because they the best person, but because they are the one that can win, or it is “their turn”. Until that ends we will continue on the same destructive path we have now for a hundred years or more.
Very well said Bill.
Paul LePage is surging, and looking to take the lead from Abbott!!!
Tyler
Don’t forget the so called “too Conservative” has been elected in Waterville, Sen George Mitchell’s home town, former Rep Ruth Joseph’s hometown and has a Council full of Democrats. I think that is pretty good for what some believe is too Conservative
…Yes, Matthew, and would have had the lead already had it not been for that highly unusual, statistically anomalous, and nearly instantaneous surge of 20-25 votes in the favor of Abbott which occurred some time between 10:30 and 11:10 AM this morning.
At noon (after the odd surge in late morning for Abbott) it was:
Abbott: 278
LePage: 255
At 1:30 PM it was:
Abbott: 280
LePage: 268
At 3:00 PM it was:
LePage: 289…as the curve of regular voting took us into the lead.
Abbott: 282
Now, within the past HALF hour there has suddenly been another of those odd surges of 13 votes for Abbott (when he’d had just 4 new votes in the preceding three hours) and only 1 new vote for LePage (when he’d been getting app. 15 votes/hour previously,) so that it now stands (at 3:30 PM) at:
Abbott: 295
LePage: 290
Possible? Yes. But it is the second statistically anomalous event of the day.
Just noting….
Are you suggesting anything?
If you think I’m up to any funny business, I will be happy to post the IP log from every single vote.
Surges like that tend to accompany emails out to supporters. There has been no cookie trickery – this is an IP poll. I’ve been watching.
That’s comforting, Matthew, thank you.
It is STILL statistically anomalous, however…
Come to think of it, I wouldn’t mind having a look at the I.P. logs if you wouldn’t mind sending a C&P of the top 2 candidates to my email address.
All the best,
S
I am for Matt Jacobson. Because he knows how to create jobs…not just repeat the word over and over and over in a commercial (..Les). Go Matt go!
I can assure you Matthew is right. It is an IP Poll. I urged my employees to vote but since I already did and we all are on the same static ip address they could not place a vote.
I will not vote for someone involved with Susan Collins. I’m an independent in many aspects but when it comes to fiscal responsibility I’m deeply conservative. Collins ruined Abbott’s vote from me when she and Snowe voted for a stimulus slush fund.
Bill Barker nailed it. I will be voting for the best man to lead Maine back to the path of American Fundemental Principles, morally and fiscally. And that is Paul LaPage, hands down. But it will take an effort from all of us to change the state. With a proven leader like Paul running the show and a committment from many others willing to help,I have Faith we can turn this state around…so goes Maine, so goes the Nation is my theory.
Ok. Abbott just jumped twenty in literally 3 seconds? It didn’t even climb. It went 336 to 356 instantly. Matt, I know this poll is legit, but how could that happen?
I find it hard to believe someone’s not coordinating something for Abbot….Not that there’s any thing wrong with GOTV, but these sudden lump-jumps seem off.
I agree, I’m not saying it’s rigged with PTP. I know differently, but everyone else is climbing steadily, and Abbott sits idle for 10-15 minutes, sometimes much longer, than all at once 20 simultaneous votes. I would really like to see how it went if every campaign just made an effort to get the supporters out to vote in the poll, instead of playing games with it.
I have the same issue with the Static IP and it is unfortunate because I know one employee that actually likes a different candidate than I at the moment. Oh well I am sure some figured a way around it. But I have to give Kuddos to the website for doing a great poll to get R’s pumped!!!
Polls like this one are a joke. They only measure which campaign can cheat better. There a number of ways to fool a system based on recording IP addresses.
I would like to think that these gentlemen have more integrity than that. If they don’t, why are we all bothering to watch. Do you want to support any politician that won’t even let a poll like this run it’s course?
Right…but it is very instructive to know which campaign STARTED OUT cheating.
No surprise there.
The insiders who run this State’s GOP are as corrupt as…you fill in your favorite metaphor.
Let me just throw one more thought out there…anything that motivates 1400+ people, give or take, to take a moment out of their day to come out in support of conservative candidates this far away from a primary must be viewed as positive in some ways. View it as political exercise if you will, but I would rather see activities like this than to see the entire party aside from the candidates and their staff try and wake up from hibernation in May.
Dan,
But one campaign is cheating, and the other isn’t.
That’s important.
P.S. No IP log here, yet Matthew. Change of heart perhaps?
In my honest opinion Paul LePage is the only candidate on the Republican side of the ballot that could win in November.
Politicians use “great swelling words”. Statesmen like Paul LePage use “great plainness of speech”. Integrity is much more likely to be found among plain-speakers. The “great swelling words” are a mark of the false prophet. In times like these we must have integrity — and courage to stand up to the Insiders who have brought us to this dangerous crisis.
Note tpo Steve Martin- you accuse the State Party of being corrupt and yet you are on the State Committee. Are you corrupt? Primaries are very engaging and enlightening events. I have great respect for Paul but you aren’t helping your candidate with wild, unfounded and irresponsible accusations. If you feel there is corruption, gather your evidence and present it at the State Committee meeting today or at a future time. I am proud of the work of Chairman Webster and Chairman Ellis before him and all who step forward and volunteer their time for the improvement of the Republican Party. I believe every group has opportunities to improve and would welcome suggestions from you or others in that light.
Best-
Chuck Mahaleris
Maine GOP Secretary
I don’t know much more about each candidate than what you put behind their names in your poll, but looking at that, LePage seems to be the guy to go for. Abbott is probably just another Collins and at our house we call both she and Snowe “Closet Democrats”. Jacobson, being here ONLY four years ( don’t care that he’s not a native), probably doesn’t have a real grasp for the entire State, and Otten, I’ve been told, has the money to pay for his entire campaign which to me says “no touch with us little people”.
My daughter has a college degree in political science with a major in international law. She is presently working in a deli in Portland for about $8.00 an hour part time because there are no decent jobs in Maine, not even in Portland. After paying for all that college it would be nice not to see her in a deli or leaving our State. Our current Governor stopped in one day to get lunch and she pointed out to him how six people who work there had college degrees and his reply was “God Help You”!
Anyone who will bring good paying jobs and bring them to the entire State (North and Downeast especially) has my vote. We don’t need more tourism, retiree’s, or natural resource jobs because the majority of them are minimum wage. We need LIVING WAGE JOBS for both our kids and ourselves! If someone runs on that policy and follows through on it, they’d have my vote for life!
Much of the field is same old – same old. Paul LePage is bringing something new along with relevant experience and a strong belief in the Constitution. Abbott, as far as I can tell, is a Washington insider aka hack. I can’t vote against Collins this year but I can and will not vote for Abbott, even if he were the GOP nominee.
Regarding Paul LePage being “TOO conservative” for this state, following the debacle of the ‘08 elections, I did not want to read one thing about election results that Wednesday morning. My wife asked me if I wanted to hear some good news, and my response was there is no good news. She said she was telling me anyway, and it was that Paul LePage was re-elected mayor. The fact that a “TOO conservative” candidate won in that landslide national debacle in a very heavily Democratic city should be a sign to all. It shows what a person with the right principles can accomplish and he has. Paul LePage’s resume speaks for itself and is what is needed for the entire state.
Chuck,
So, the SMCCR Machine has spoken. “We aren’t corrupt,” says the machine, as Olympia and Susan take their daily directions from the CFR, the Trilateral Commission’s Bill Cohen, and the Rockefellers themselves, and then vote regularly like the socialists that they clearly are. We only need to look at the voting record of our supposedly “Republican” Senators to know that they, at least, are indeed certainly corrupt. I submit that corruption can be defined in this case by one getting themselves elected by saying one thing, claiming to support the platform, and swearing to support the Constitution, and then doing the exact opposite in Washington once in office. That, Mr. Mahaleris, is a dastardly violation of trust and yes… thoroughly corrupt!
Might there be some supporters of the machine that aren’t corrupt?…possibly, yes. But only because they have been duped. No Maine Republican of good conscience who has read AND UNDERSTOOD the platform can reasonably object to the censuring of Snowe and Collins. Censuring these two and cleaning up our party is the key to winning again at the state level.
We need only look at those members of the State Committee and the executive committee–including Olympia’s boy, Charlie Webster; and the Chairman of the Rules Committee, who bends the rules to their own whims–to see the corruption. Let’s ask the grassroots Republicans at the local level whether they think the county committees should be allowed to present motions (which is all a resolution is, after all) at the state committee meetings or not, shall we?
Let’s ask why the chair decided to recognize the only openly GAY member of the State committee first (and another gay rights supporter from Bangor second) when the resolution from the ACRC about gay marriage was considered a year ago. Then lets ask why the chair sided with their bogus opinion that counties should no longer be permitted to bring ANY resolutions to the state committee after that one was prevented a hearing that day– even though we’d previously voted on resolutions in meetings just previous to that one!
Those who have thus far successfully kept the Aroostook County Republicans (and others) views’ and resolutions’ condemning the machine, and Snowe, and Collins for being the DEMOCRATS and NEOCONS that they are will eventually pay a price. Every Republican (with few exceptions) beyond our fair state’s borders wants these two gone and considers them an embarrassment. Every real Republican of principle within our borders wants these two gone and is embarrassed by them. Only the insiders who depend upon THEIR LARGESS are still standing with these two traitors to Republicanism and republican principles.
Steve,
There certainly is corruption, and these Senate seats have followed a clearly defined line of “insider” succession, but you lost me at Trilateral commission and Neocon(used in combination with Democrat? wha..?). Corruption is clear enough in the established circles *without* chasing the windmills of Global Conspiracy.
and you wonder why no one up here takes the conservative movement seriously…
I am neither gay nor a gay rights supporter, and I oppose gay marriage, but I also spoke at that meeting against the State Committee considering such resolutions. The party rules call for a Standing Resolutions Committee that presents a platform to the State Convention. There is no provision for the State Committee to take stands on issues. It is the broader group represented at the convention that takes stands on issues, not the State Committee. The fact that prior Chairmen had allowed such resolutions to be considered does not make it right.
By the way, the discussion took place at the same meeting where I unsuccessfully pushed for the removal of the then Party Treasurer so it is not like I was there to simply rubberstamp the wishes of party leadership.
Does any one else beside me find it disheartning as a Republican to see the desention among the party since Abbott anounced he was in. It is frustrating because I truly believed we had a chance to win this year but if this continues down this road, I am not so sure.
Abbott outvoted LePage 56-8 since 2:00 PM…Uh huh.
And I just saw a three-antlered moose outside my window!
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“and you wonder why no one up here takes the conservative movement seriously…”
Up where? Where people still read and watch the world turn, a global conspiracy can no longer be seriously doubted.
Incidentally, had Abbot actually outlined a plan? His website says little more than “All these people like me! Collins! Collins! I’m part of The Machine!” Unimpressive.
Dan,
The fact is that the chair subsequently (a month later) cited a rule which says nothing about resolutions as his excuse for siding with the guy who motioned to ban resolutions from the counties.
With all due respect, sir, look it up. Whether you, or I, or the Pope thinks counties should or shouldn’t present resolutions and be involved in POLICY MATTERS, the fact is our rules do not prevent it, and banning resolutions in order to aid the gay rights agenda, or to support the “protect-Snowe-and-Collins-at-all-costs” agenda is dead wrong and corrupt. Hand-picking the platform committee to try to prevent conservatives from serving will soon follow…mark my words.
If the Maine State Republican Committee is to be only about raising money to support more neocon, SMCCR-machine, insider candidates WHO DON’T EVEN UNDERSTAND OR APPRECIATE THE CONSTITUTIONS (State or federal); and if conservatives are to be continually relegated to secondary status in this party then, frankly, the MSRC would be better not to exist at all. Who supports the platform, but us? NO ONE. Whose philosophy wins whenever we actually endorse and support it? OURS!
P.S. Dan, I appreciated your boldness on the matter of the ex-treasurer, and I am not surprised to find you so recently vindicated–or so it would certainly seem.
Lets move the subject of this thread to a different direction.
Which candidates would you refuse to help if they received the nomination?
Which candidates would you not vote for in November?
I second that Jarody.
Oops,the questions are for everyone.
0 votes for Abbott between 6:00 PM and 9:15 PM, after he received 56 votes between 2-6PM.
Steve, I am a strong supporter of Bruce Poliquin and I would love to see him come away with a victory here. I have to say though, I think your interpretation of this is very paranoid. I may not agree with the Matt Gagnon all the time *he said he would have voted for gay marriage had he been in the legislature at the time* but I do not believe he or any of the other campaigns are slanting the results. Just because a candidate has a strong showing at a specific time does not mean that they are skewing the polls. I am sure that Bruce Poliquin had an uptick when I sent a message out to the members of Bruce Poliquin for Governor encouraging them to vote for Bruce. I am sure that Paul had a surge after Lauren sent a message out. The kind of paranoia that you are exhibiting worries me because it shows how easily we can be broken up into factions. We are all Republicans here, we all want a Republican governor. I believe that Bruce is the best candidate for that, he has the best managerial experience of the entire field and I feel he has the composure for the job. I am sure you feel that Paul is the best for the job for the same reasons I believe in Bruce. That does not mean that you need to fight and be upset about the way the polls are being conducted. The way I see it we are going to have a strong shot in November as long as we dont pick Peter Mills *Democrat-lite* or Les Otten *business failure*. I think that with the support of the party behind any of the other candidates they will take the election this fall. I do think Paul will have a harder time than Bruce because of his outspokenness on social issues and his attitude. I lived in Waterville for 5 years as Lepage as mayor and I originally supported him but I was very turned off by him at the TABOR NOW election night party. I remember watching Lepage, with mixed drink in hand, spout off to a woman about how Bruce “stole TABOR” from him. This is the line of thinking that I am worried about factionalizing our party. Bruce HELPED TABOR just like Paul did, they were both vital in the small amount of success that TABOR received. We need to all just realize we are lucky to have an environment where one of these candidates will win, we dont need to be at each others throats, its the Democrat throats we need to be at : ).
Lepage’s record for Waterville speaks for itself.They must really like him he’s been in for three terms as Mayor.Imagine the wonderful things he’ll do for Maine as Governor.Honest and sincere
and you can’t ask for better then that.He’s got my vote.
Did I seriously just see the words “Trilateral Commission” brought up in this thread?
Dear sweet baby Jesus.
Some day some of you will grow up and realize that belittling the truth is not the same as making it go away.
And your poll is a bogus farce, Gagnon. I have documented these spurts of spuriously added votes for Abbott, and so have others.
And don’t bother disclosing the IP log as you originally offered to do now. You’ve had plenty of time to doctor up something equally crooked there.
I went to a gathering in Stillwater yesterday and heard the same song from different people. The discontent bubbling under the surface is over there, too. And down south. And in the middle.
- enough with the machine
- enough with the corruption
- enough with the establishment and the elite
When Cynthia Izon spoke about getting involved and supporting candidates actively, she was right.
And when Cynthia Rosen spoke about asking the tough questions and insisting upon answers, she was right. She mentioned Bruce Poliquin’s 2nd Amendment stance. I spoke with her after in the hallway and she sent me the link to the interview last night. Bruce says he is a strong 2nd Amendment supporter yet said they were getting into the weeds when asked about ammo limits and registrations. He needs to be asked about this. And the TABOR thing: Where was Bruce the last time TABOR was up? He dives in by chunking down $100,000 in October. And then he was gone. That does not show me he holds any deep conviction about the right to property of the individual or the recognition of the burden. It shows that it was politically expedient for him. And that’s it.
She also mentioned Jacobson suddenly speaking out for the Constitution and individual liberty. Why wasn’t this part of his campaign from the beginning. Suddenly when Texas’ Perry is on it, so is Matt? And we are supposed to believe this is a deeply held conviction of his?
Or this Abbott. How am I supposed to ignore his associations? Where in Steve Abbott’s resume of life does it show any actions that communicate any values that I hold in common? Smaller government and fiscal responsibility is one area that all the Republicans are supposed to agree on. This man has been employed by the very people who voted my grandchildren’s future away.
Being an Independent because I deplore hypocrisy and my convictions do not allow me to get behind a candidate that is not squared up right, my vote will be saved for a candidate of my liking. And if the candidate is a Republican I just might change my enrollment. I used to be a Republican. Until I realized that the goal of control is the same for both parties, based upon objective results. The individual candidate? Now, that is where I’ll place my vote.
Thus far, Paul LePage seems to be the only one whose actions and words match.
Hey Martin, you think the state party raises money for the two Senator? What are you inhaling man? That money stream goes in one direction – from them to the party, not the other way around. If they don’t pull off a fundraising event soon the lights will be off at HQ baby…ACRC is a joke. Keep passing resolutions while the number of seats held by Republicans in the County dwindles…
Are people really getting all bent out of shape on an non-scientific poll? Come on guys, get real. The spurs happened when candidates and supports have sent out emails and tweets. I’ve noticed as much and anyone without a tinfoil hat would see the same. If you’re looking for some paranoid conspiracy here I’ve got a UFO I keep in the garage I’d like to sell you.
I’ll have to say, a couple of weeks ago nobody had really heard of Steve Abbott, now we know that he was Chief of Staff for S. Collins and worked for O. Snowe as well. I guess the man does have experience dealing with Maine’s problems, after all, he has had to deal with the two biggest problems Maine has for over two decades.
As for taking this poll for real, very hard to swallow that a virtual unknown for the gubernatorial race is ahead on any poll unless the poll was rigged for the start. I have not and will not participate in any poll, especially if it is obvious that the Maine GOP Machine has their slimy paws all over it…
Steve, your opinion is a bogus farce. It is impossible for you to document that. Anything you’ve “documented” could be fabricated. Give me a break.
And never mind a blogger – should an at-large member of the state committee really be so obviously in the tank for one candidate or another? What are YOU going to do in Aroostook County to manipulate the process for your candidate? If Abbott were the nominee, I’m sure your online comments have given the Democrats plenty of quotes they can use in the general election. “Even Republican leaders think…”
Let’s try to stay in advocating for your candidate, people, not trashing everyone else. Someone’s going to win this primary, and when they do, we all have to come behind them. That’ll be difficult if members of the state committee are posting outrageous accusations online.
Well, I suppose at least it’s a good thing you’re not county chair, anyway. Then maybe there’s hope that the county caucuses can be free & fair elections.
Mike,
I for one have no candidate!
But I will not compromise my integrity and principles as apparently you will. I will not vote for a liberal Republican, can’t do it, what is the difference if a liberal democrat or a liberal republican wins?
None, the attitude that we have to unite to save a sinking ship is passe. I will unite with fellow conservative patriots, as I always have and I will also have nothing to do with the corrupt Maine GOP, I won’t engage.
Just saw a couple of comments skimming through them as to how the timing of this poll was a reflection of Mr. Abbott announcing his campaign. Please keep in mind that Pine Tree Politics ran this same poll back in September long before this announcement.
Jose,
Steve Abbott is not unknown. He is to the voter at large – but in terms of the grassroots conservative community, the people who “pay attention” to politics in Maine and so on and so forth, he is very much known. Hard not to know who he is given his status as Susan Collins’ Karl Rove for essentially 15 years.
The people who do not know who Steve Abbott are aren’t voting in this poll. If you are engaged enough to even read my site in January of 2010, you pay attention to politics.
As for the “machine” having its paws on this poll… please. I am about as far outside the machine as you will find in the state.
Anyone who honestly thinks that Steve Martin should be taken seriously needs only spend 20 minutes trolling through his paranoid, psychotic screeds over at Liberty Forest.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=4483413
Well, let’s start off with his loony as hell belief that Maine was going to be supressed by Canadian troops… why you ask? Because of REAL ID…
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=130146
How about a tone def racial comment? Direct quote (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131628):
“Sincere question…Why do Mulattos like Obama always talk about being “black”…”
Here, the genius participating in a movement libertarian forum talking up a libertarian candidate (Ron Paul) who ran on the libertarian party’s ticket in 1988, expresses wonder and amazement that he is surrounded by *gasp* libertarians:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131637
Yeah, we are dealing with a first rate mind here. Doesn’t even know what Ron Paul’s political sensibilities are, and we are supposed to believe that he knows the “truth” about this conspiracy theory crap.
Here he expresses his love for the idea of a Jesse Ventura / Ron Paul national ticket. Yeah, you heard that right:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131316
And then, JUST IN CASE you thought he was some kind of talented political analyst or commentator, we have the following gem (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=127446):
“Barack Hussein Obama: Simply unelectable. It’s going to be Hitlery or McWar”
I could go on and on and on and on – this was just a few of his more dunderheaded comments and threads. Take a scan through everything he’s said (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=4483409) and you will find that Steve Martin is:
1. Paranoid
2. Stupid
3. Completely and mind numbingly tone def politically
4. Totally in the tank for fringe lunatics
5. Paranoid
6. Into fringe conspiracy theories, and honestly believes them
But hey, if that is the kind of guy you want to listen to, by all means.
Jose,
I think you would find a BIG difference between a liberal Republican and a liberal Democrat. I mean seriously, anyone with a rudimentary understanding of politics could see that. If you want to tell me that Peter Mills is more liberal than most Republicans I would agree, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing in my mind. If you are trying to argue that he is as liberal as Frank, Reid, or Pelosi I can’t agree with you. Those are liberal Democrats.
“Johanna Galt”,
First off, great surname! Love it!
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Bruce Poliquin has been a donor and member of the Heritage Foundation for two decades. He’s also a member of the Maine Heritage Policy Center. Sorry this stuff doesn’t show up in FEC reports. Bruce is on our side, trust me. And he has been for years–this is nothing new. Better to help outstanding and influential outside groups like these than ingratiate yourself with the party machinery that has been unable to win in a state we should be able to win in, if you ask me. But that’s my opinion, I welcome yours.
Barry,
Right on. Based on what Martin was saying, I’m not surprised by this. Still, I’m glad you did the leg work and shared. The irrationally paranoid wing of our party hurts our chances of winning, as I’m sure you know. Thanks for the heads up.
TLC?
Mike?
Del_Cue?
Barry?
Garrett?
Doesn’t anyone on this hit team use their real names? You will notice the vast majority of HONEST folks who support LePage use BOTH OF THEIR REAL NAMES.
Let the public decide which side is worth supporting here…The anonymous/hiding insiders who apparently support the very statistically anomalous activity in this poll, or the people who are being totally honest about who they are and what they stand for.
And, “Barry,” don’t pull the race nonsense on me. It won’t work given my familial connections and business partnerships. Maybe you should dig a little deeper before making a total fool of yourself, “Barry” boy.
I’m outta here, this is no place for a Christian patriot to hang out. The Republicans I grew up with would never have used the Lord’s name that way, Gagnon.
Your comment wasn’t “racist” Steve, it was simply jaw droppingly ignorant, and pretty much proves how utterly disconnected you are from any kind of community of people outside your bubble.
And please do go. Whackos who use religion as justification for political positions really shouldn’t have a home in this party.
Take the Lord’s name in vain?
::slaps forehead::
Well, go with God, good “Christian Patriot”. My ardent Catholicism and hyper-libertarianism salute you.
Thank you all!
I am going to the town hall and un-enroll from the socialist Republican Party. You are all a bunch of liberals!
Over and out!
It figures that we’d have a PaulBot on this thread. A conspiracy under every rock, and the bane of Classical-liberalism. But they have energy, I’ll give them that.
Paul LePage has taken the lead. The question remains however who will be the nominee. Its a long time until June.
Steve, Garrett is my real name. Garrett Murch, from Windsor, ME, and I support Poliquin for Governor. Happy?
I believe that the welfare and future of Maine should belong to the people of Maine with the aid from a strong, successful business man. and I believe that man to be Mayor Paul LePage.
This kind of infighting is ridiculous. If you want to win elections maybe the name calling, conspiracy theories, and litmus testing should stop. Debate is fine, and necessary, but this is just foolish.
The overwhelming majority of Mainers are undecided, let alone know the names of the current candidates. A voluntary response poll is no way indicative of Maine Republicans’ support.
I am going to base my vote off fiscal conservatism. Those who feel social conservatism is important in a gubernatorial race do not understand that gay marriage will not be determined by our state government and that abortion is a federal courts issue, and not a state issue.
Fiscal Conservatism and Frugality will determine this race. The past administrations could not allocate, or cut funds to the appropriate areas. The next governor must audit all government bureaus. That is the issue with government spending in economics. Aggregate demand will never increase because the government can not spend as efficiently as private citizens (in addition to a crowding out effect). If the government could learn to allocate funds efficiently and distribute the savings to the people through a tax break.
At the moment I want to know , where our money is going. We are receiving a subpar product, yet every year the government feels it necessary to throw money at these programs in the hope that they will create a better product. Do we receive a better product? No. Then where is our money going?
There are agencies in New York City who give poor New Yorkers bus tickets to Maine with instructions on how to receive welfare payments. We need frugality. Career politicians do not have the skill sets to tackle our budget deficit. We need a governor who will audit all government bureaus, will crack down on frivolous education spending that serve as impediments to our education system rather than aid, will reduce income and capital gains taxes to create wealth and jobs, and will demonstrate a work ethic unprecedented in our state government.
Matt Jacobson is the candidate for the job. Speaking of jobs; that’s what he’s all about…He asks some great questions. What can we do to improve the business environment for companies to come to our great state and bring great paying jobs and opportunity with them? It’s the lens he looks through as he approaches most situations. What makes sense? Ask him about the hospitality business, The Moosehead Furniture Factory, the cruise ship opportunites, the community college opportunity, the modular home industry…the list goes on. Matt has a unique experience from his time at the US Naval Academy to heading up the railroad to being the CEO and President of Maine and Company. He knows the movers and the shakers, but his work is for the common man like me, who ekes out a lving each year and depends on a favorable business climate…Go Matt! Go Maine!
Paul Lepage is the right man for the job. He has proven it in Waterville and can do it in Augusta. He is a no nonsense person who may be a little too straight talking for some people. Personally, I believe he can help turn Augusta around. We need leardership and we haven’t had it for years. There is so much waste in government that it is time for a new vision. Paul Lepage for governor!!
wow. Beardsley just took a leap to overtake Mills!
Nick, Beardsley’s jump is due to a facebook: he referred his fans to the poll.
Garrett, thank you for providing some more information.
Bruce’s gun rights stance still makes me very very uncomfortable.
I am one of those who stand firmly on how our State Constitution states it, “…shall never be questioned.”
This issue is a deal breaker for me.
Johanna,
I’m aware of Bruce’s support of the 2nd Amendment, so I don’t know where this is coming from.
As a kid I hunted with my father, my grandfather and my great grandfather (who was in his 90s!) in the woods behind our house in Windsor. American Hunter was a staple magazine on our coffee table. You will not find a family more committed to the 2nd Amendment than mine. Bruce supports the 2nd Amendment, just like us. I’m sorry but I just don’t even know where you’re coming from with your statement. I hope your comment was not politically motivated. If all it is is Bruce’s focus on reforming Maine’s fiscal and economic state, I hope you’ll keep in mind that this is the biggest problem facing the state right now.
-Garrett
ps Johanna, you should come out sea duck hunting out of Round Pond with us some time. Our Lab, Eidah, lives to dive off the rocky coast into the surf! You’d love it
Garrett,
I spoke in the first post I left about a link to an interview with Bruce that demonstrates for me a pliable stance as opposed to a firm stance on our gun rights. When Bruce is specifically questioned about ammo restrictions and registrations he responds that they were getting into the weeds.
You may e-mail me at johannagalt@hushmail.com and I will send you the audio file.
After a day of compiling the information and backgrounds of all the candidates, I have decided to support Bruce Poliquin for the nomination. I believe he has the experience, erudition, and proven success needed in order to be governor. Also, his work ethic astounds me. He has traveled 27,564 miles across the state? That is amazing. Someone who is willing to work that hard to secure a nomination and still has the skill set needed to be a successful governor is alright by me.
I voted for Lepage, he is the only one still working and running for Governor. Seems to me more like a real person from Maine and not independently wealthy, unlike many others who gave up0 their jobs to run. I want a worker not a schmooser
Can anyone tell me what mayor Lepage has done for the city of Waterville in the past few years other than maybe getting me $100 for a tax return and keeping the police from busting his sons underage drinking parties? Because I cant think of any public works that he has accomplished for the city.
TL you make a great point…Aside from lowering taxes I cannot think of a single thing that LePage has done. The city is no more business friendly than before he was Mayor, we’ve only attracted a few box stores to town and thats about it. And what have they done, further killed our Main St. There has been a significant amount of business shifting in town. He moved Mardens across town, after WalMart moved across town. Do not be fooled by the Hathaway revitalization either, that has simply taken businesses from other parts of town. So rather than having one large vacant building now we have several smaller ones. Aside from T-Mobile the Waterville area has not seen a major new employer come to the area in years. Therefore, I do not see how LePage will get new business development in Maine if he has not been able to do so in Waterville.
He can have the tax issue, but in reality how hard is it to lower taxes in a city that was way overtaxed to begin with?
Going after the family TL. That’s real classy.
Dean Scontras has lost much of his conservative support when he endorsed for Governor the Chief of Staff for Susan Collins, Steve Abbott. Sen. Collins was similarly anointed by CFR’s William Cohen. We don’t need another Insider in Washington, we need a real Constitutionalist to get in there and cut the looming dictatorship off at the financial knees. Dean obviously doesn’t get it. In Topsham recently he said that “China was out from under the Communist yoke”. Yeah, sure.
TL and ZDT
While your whining don’t forget he improved the bond rating unlike many other governments and this was done in a poor economy too. Waterville also paved streets that were State owned becasue they were in shambles and the State said they would not touch them. But they got done thanks to Waterville and the local people were actually pleased they could drive down them again. You two obvioulsy will whine about this post too.
Tom, drive down College Ave and try to avoid the potholes… He has really done a wonderful job at that. I think anyone who lives in Waterville would laugh at that post and think you are joking. The only road I can think of that is ever in good condition is KMD, I live in Benton and a lot of our roads are better than those in Waterville.
Kimberly Clarke, The only jobs a politician can make would be government jobs. We want smaller government, NOT bigger government. We need LESS regulation, and MORE opportunity to create jobs ourselves. It’s the regulations, or over regulations that keeps business out of Maine. Paul LePage WILL do that.
Get your facts TLC College Ave is another State Road so I guess we can only blame the MDOT again. Sorry
Tom, I thought Paul was paving the state roads too and doing such a fabulous job about it. Why wouldnt he do one that is always in constantly in ruin? Can you give me a list of all these places where Lepage decided to do state roads too because he was just such an amazing leader? I would really like to know, that way I know if I need to tell you to “get your facts straight”.
If Paul Lepage is the Republican nominee for governor it will be a disaster for any republican who is running in maine. He’s someone who will drag everyone down with his 33 percent in the general election. But lets stand on principle as if the rest of the Republicans principles aren’t as pure as Lepage’s. I heard one peoson say “He’s the only Real Republican in the race. It’s that kind of stupidity that keeps the Republicans in Maine happy to be on the outside throwing rocks in a gunfight.
The other side of the coin is if by some amazing miracle he would win he’d be lost in Augusta taking bad advice from the good old boys.
TLC look at Gilman st, to name one that is a state road. I am sure Tom may know more but got tired of the ignorance. SInce you live in Benton I assume the Benton Neck Road makes you proud too huh? I threw my back out on that road
I recently met Le Page for the first time and I was definitely less than impressed. As a young person in attendance with other young people I felt ignored. I know older people historically vote more consistently, but that isn’t an excuse. I’ve learned how to tell when someone is discounting me due to my inexperience verse dismissing me because of my age. Maybe he was tired from driving, but my first impression and that of my friends wasn’t a good one.
After seeing the finance reports I’m even less impressed, and I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I find I can’t. I really didn’t resonate with him.
Scontras really has disappointed me, Abbot is not an option, not in this current political climate. I’m looking for a campaign with youthful vigor and one that makes room for young people to grow. Not make back room deals or cut $500k checks to buy it out from under us.
Rusty, Explain yourself. Your post made no sense. Paul has the most experience in the race.
BTW there is no way Abbot the newbie is not getting all his football buddies to come over and vote. No one had heard of him a week ago. Yea lets elect him. Ceating is in the politicians creed, isn’t it?
Mills clearly couldn’t be bothered to have his campaign pay attention to this poll. Beardsley must have gotten all his supporters to vote here. Les Otten tried to get people to vote here but I doubt he has much real support out there, once a lot of people out there heard about his $2000 donation to Pingree they saw him for what he is. P.S.–his tvads are just too staged in a phony way and weird.
Jacobson is a nice guy but just can’t seem to get any traction, his financials show the same thing.
Poliquin may have some money but the only thing i hear anyone say about him is he works hard but has an untrustworthy feel about his whole campaign.
So it comes down to Lepage and Abbott, Loepage has the Woodcock conservatives pushing him, and Abbott has just been out there for about a week so i cant say much yet.
I just hope that all Republicans get behind whoever the nominee is because we simply can’t take 4 more years of a democrat governor. We just can’t.
Lepage is the only credible figure in the whole race, all the others are talkers Paul is a DO’ER. I am tired of the Harvard Forked tongues that do not live in reality. We need Reality University graduates like ourselves, now is our time to send one of us to the Blaine house. We have the Momentum on ourside.
As far as roadpaving goes, it cost $1,300,000 a mile to pave. So all of you big mouths pony up and whip out your check books!!!!
Just had to repost this from Johanna, since it’s so good.
Johanna Galt said:
I went to a gathering in Stillwater yesterday and heard the same song from different people. The discontent bubbling under the surface is over there, too. And down south. And in the middle.
- enough with the machine
- enough with the corruption
- enough with the establishment and the elite
When Cynthia Izon spoke about getting involved and supporting candidates actively, she was right.
And when Cynthia Rosen spoke about asking the tough questions and insisting upon answers, she was right. She mentioned Bruce Poliquin’s 2nd Amendment stance. I spoke with her after in the hallway and she sent me the link to the interview last night. Bruce says he is a strong 2nd Amendment supporter yet said they were getting into the weeds when asked about ammo limits and registrations. He needs to be asked about this. And the TABOR thing: Where was Bruce the last time TABOR was up? He dives in by chunking down $100,000 in October. And then he was gone. That does not show me he holds any deep conviction about the right to property of the individual or the recognition of the burden. It shows that it was politically expedient for him. And that’s it.
She also mentioned Jacobson suddenly speaking out for the Constitution and individual liberty. Why wasn’t this part of his campaign from the beginning. Suddenly when Texas’ Perry is on it, so is Matt? And we are supposed to believe this is a deeply held conviction of his?
Or this Abbott. How am I supposed to ignore his associations? Where in Steve Abbott’s resume of life does it show any actions that communicate any values that I hold in common? Smaller government and fiscal responsibility is one area that all the Republicans are supposed to agree on. This man has been employed by the very people who voted my grandchildren’s future away.
Being an Independent because I deplore hypocrisy and my convictions do not allow me to get behind a candidate that is not squared up right, my vote will be saved for a candidate of my liking. And if the candidate is a Republican I just might change my enrollment. I used to be a Republican. Until I realized that the goal of control is the same for both parties, based upon objective results. The individual candidate? Now, that is where I’ll place my vote.
Thanks, Johanna, Your three-pronged “Statement of Principles, 2010″ has just become my mantra. (“Enough with the Machine. Enough with the corruption. Enough with the establishment and the elite”.)
This sums up the mood of huge portions of the populace today, from all walks of life. It helped get Scott Brown elected, in a stunner.
It’s the flag that I will carry high this year.
If a politician gets within a mile of the crap you’re talking about above, then they’re useless, and need to be kicked to the curb.
Wow. Jim. You seem quite bitter. LOL
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